1 00:00:05,266 --> 00:00:09,531 [theme music] 2 00:00:16,190 --> 00:00:18,018 >>DAVID WILCOCK: Allright, welcome to the show. 3 00:00:18,148 --> 00:00:19,236 I'm David Wilcock. 4 00:00:19,367 --> 00:00:23,066 And we are absolutely having fun here. 5 00:00:23,197 --> 00:00:25,982 This is all newinformation, even for people 6 00:00:26,113 --> 00:00:27,766 who think they know it all. 7 00:00:27,897 --> 00:00:31,683 I think we're just peeling awaythe layers of the onion here. 8 00:00:31,814 --> 00:00:34,730 And it gets more and more interesting as we go. 9 00:00:34,860 --> 00:00:36,688 I'm here with Corey Goode. 10 00:00:36,819 --> 00:00:39,213 And we are discussing insider information 11 00:00:39,343 --> 00:00:43,869 that he gained through his workin the Secret Space Program, 12 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:48,570 or what's often abbreviated to SSP. 13 00:00:48,700 --> 00:00:51,399 Corey, this Secret Space Program, 14 00:00:51,529 --> 00:00:53,444 how does something like this get started? 15 00:00:53,575 --> 00:00:55,838 If our conventional technology seems 16 00:00:55,968 --> 00:01:00,973 to be so primitive as farspace travel is concerned, 17 00:01:01,104 --> 00:01:04,847 did the space program actually have some help? 18 00:01:04,977 --> 00:01:06,718 Was there some outside assistance 19 00:01:06,849 --> 00:01:08,981 that allowed it to develop this far at such 20 00:01:09,112 --> 00:01:10,722 an early time in history? 21 00:01:10,853 --> 00:01:12,507 >>COREY GOODE: Actually, the reason there's 22 00:01:12,637 --> 00:01:19,905 such a wide range in technologies 23 00:01:20,036 --> 00:01:23,648 in the Secret Space Programand what we have down here 24 00:01:23,779 --> 00:01:27,043 is that this is a completebreakaway society. 25 00:01:27,174 --> 00:01:28,871 >>DAVID: What does a breakaway society mean? 26 00:01:29,001 --> 00:01:33,571 >>GOODE: It is a society thatis so divergent from the one 27 00:01:33,702 --> 00:01:39,403 that it came from that it's acompletely different society 28 00:01:39,534 --> 00:01:43,625 that runs on totally different technology, 29 00:01:43,755 --> 00:01:49,152 different social dynamics,different control systems, that 30 00:01:49,283 --> 00:01:53,939 are unrelated to the onesthat it came from before. 31 00:01:54,070 --> 00:01:55,202 It broke away. 32 00:01:55,332 --> 00:01:57,856 And it's now existing separate from. 33 00:01:57,987 --> 00:01:59,206 >>DAVID: What might be an example 34 00:01:59,336 --> 00:02:01,121 of a different social dynamic? 35 00:02:01,251 --> 00:02:03,688 >>GOODE: Well it's definitelymore of a controlled, 36 00:02:03,819 --> 00:02:06,038 totalitarian regime. 37 00:02:06,169 --> 00:02:06,865 >>DAVID: Really? 38 00:02:06,996 --> 00:02:10,782 >>GOODE: Yeah, yeah. 39 00:02:10,913 --> 00:02:15,483 The current era breakaway civilization 40 00:02:15,613 --> 00:02:20,227 really began in Germany, as far back as the '20s, 41 00:02:20,357 --> 00:02:23,839 but especially in the '30s. 42 00:02:23,969 --> 00:02:29,018 There were some of the German secret societies 43 00:02:29,149 --> 00:02:32,978 that were doing a lot of really interesting work. 44 00:02:33,109 --> 00:02:40,464 They were some of the firstthat didn't separate science 45 00:02:40,595 --> 00:02:46,688 and what our mainstream scienceconsiders esoteric spirituality 46 00:02:46,818 --> 00:02:48,690 kind of topics. 47 00:02:48,820 --> 00:02:51,823 They intertwined them. 48 00:02:51,954 --> 00:02:54,391 And they had some groups that were 49 00:02:54,522 --> 00:02:59,309 doing channeling, trying to contact groups 50 00:02:59,440 --> 00:03:01,137 from other worlds. 51 00:03:01,268 --> 00:03:09,363 And they were also scouring theEarth for texts-- ancient texts 52 00:03:09,493 --> 00:03:14,933 from the East that hadtalked about ancient Vimana 53 00:03:15,064 --> 00:03:20,461 and other craft that they hopedthat they could get information 54 00:03:20,591 --> 00:03:23,333 from to engineer craft from. 55 00:03:23,464 --> 00:03:26,075 >>DAVID: One of the mostcontentious pieces of research 56 00:03:26,206 --> 00:03:31,298 that I came across dealing withGerman occult societies was 57 00:03:31,428 --> 00:03:36,607 apparently one of the top occultists in the time, 58 00:03:36,738 --> 00:03:42,134 who later advised Hitler,saw a talk by Gurdjieff. 59 00:03:42,265 --> 00:03:46,878 And Gurdjieff described this grand hypothesis 60 00:03:47,009 --> 00:03:51,709 of a symbol that was showing up,a sacred symbol, literally all 61 00:03:51,840 --> 00:03:53,494 over the world. 62 00:03:53,624 --> 00:03:56,410 All these different ancientcultures had this symbol that 63 00:03:56,540 --> 00:04:01,328 the Hindus called the"sah-wah-STEE-ka," or swastika. 64 00:04:01,458 --> 00:04:06,681 Do you think that the Germansin these occult societies, 65 00:04:06,811 --> 00:04:11,729 by seeing this almost worldwideprevalence of one symbol, 66 00:04:11,860 --> 00:04:13,383 were they reconstructing what they 67 00:04:13,514 --> 00:04:17,257 felt was the traces of aworldwide ancient advanced 68 00:04:17,387 --> 00:04:19,389 civilization of some kind? 69 00:04:19,520 --> 00:04:20,912 >>GOODE: I don't know that for sure. 70 00:04:21,043 --> 00:04:24,438 But I know that as far back as the late '20s, 71 00:04:24,568 --> 00:04:26,788 and through the '30s, some of these secret 72 00:04:26,918 --> 00:04:31,053 societies were alreadywell into expeditions all 73 00:04:31,183 --> 00:04:38,800 across the world, lookingfor ancient texts and relics 74 00:04:38,930 --> 00:04:43,108 that they could start topiece information together 75 00:04:43,239 --> 00:04:47,983 to create technology from, modern technology from. 76 00:04:48,113 --> 00:04:50,377 >>DAVID: Also I did a ancient aliens 77 00:04:50,507 --> 00:04:52,857 episode not too long ago on something 78 00:04:52,988 --> 00:04:54,381 called the German Roswell. 79 00:04:54,511 --> 00:04:57,253 And I'm wondering ifyou'd ever heard of that. 80 00:04:57,384 --> 00:05:00,343 >>GOODE: I believe it's 1936,a crash in the Black Forest. 81 00:05:00,474 --> 00:05:04,478 >>DAVID: Right, on Eva Braun'sfamily's land, apparently. 82 00:05:04,608 --> 00:05:06,654 And she later became Hitler's wife. 83 00:05:06,784 --> 00:05:09,091 >>GOODE: I read that there was a crash 84 00:05:09,221 --> 00:05:15,097 and that there was technologyrecovered in the glass pad. 85 00:05:15,227 --> 00:05:20,885 But most of my knowledge goes to the contact 86 00:05:21,016 --> 00:05:24,498 that was made through the channeling, where 87 00:05:24,628 --> 00:05:28,719 they made contact with another civilization, 88 00:05:28,850 --> 00:05:32,332 and ended up arranging meetings with them 89 00:05:32,462 --> 00:05:36,553 and also, through their expeditions, 90 00:05:36,684 --> 00:05:40,078 ended up making contact in the Himalayas 91 00:05:40,209 --> 00:05:43,473 with the ancient breakaway civilization 92 00:05:43,604 --> 00:05:49,479 that a lot of people callthe Nordics that they started 93 00:05:49,610 --> 00:05:51,655 to work with. 94 00:05:51,786 --> 00:05:53,918 They were working with thesetwo different groups that 95 00:05:54,049 --> 00:05:55,920 helped them put this together. 96 00:05:56,051 --> 00:05:58,488 >>DAVID: One of the most commonthings the critics keep saying 97 00:05:58,619 --> 00:06:01,448 is Corey has no proof. 98 00:06:01,578 --> 00:06:03,841 But when you're describing channeling, 99 00:06:03,972 --> 00:06:06,583 this is something that peoplecan go and read for themselves. 100 00:06:06,714 --> 00:06:08,672 It wasn't all kept secret, right? 101 00:06:08,803 --> 00:06:10,805 >>GOODE: No, a lot ofthis is out in mainstream. 102 00:06:10,935 --> 00:06:15,113 And people, I think, havewritten books and stuff about. 103 00:06:15,244 --> 00:06:16,767 >>DAVID: So this is the Vril Society-- 104 00:06:16,898 --> 00:06:17,855 >>GOODE: The Vril Society. 105 00:06:17,986 --> 00:06:18,813 >>DAVID: --Maria Orsic. 106 00:06:18,943 --> 00:06:20,597 >>GOODE: Right. 107 00:06:20,728 --> 00:06:22,251 >>DAVID: Can you tell us whatyou know about the channeling, 108 00:06:22,382 --> 00:06:26,168 like did they form a contact with some sort 109 00:06:26,298 --> 00:06:28,475 of extraterrestrial group? 110 00:06:28,605 --> 00:06:34,785 >>GOODE: Yes, they made contactwith one of the Draco Alliance 111 00:06:34,916 --> 00:06:36,221 groups. 112 00:06:36,352 --> 00:06:40,095 And it was when they drew a picture 113 00:06:40,225 --> 00:06:43,664 of the face, a lot of people today 114 00:06:43,794 --> 00:06:48,799 say it looks like the Gray, or the Reptoids, 115 00:06:48,930 --> 00:06:53,848 which look very much like the Grays, 116 00:06:53,978 --> 00:06:55,502 except they're reptilian looking. 117 00:06:55,632 --> 00:06:59,593 >>DAVID: Was that group here already 118 00:06:59,723 --> 00:07:01,246 before they made contact? 119 00:07:01,377 --> 00:07:04,032 Or did the contact draw themover to our solar system? 120 00:07:04,162 --> 00:07:08,123 >>GOODE: The Draco,according to the glass pad-- 121 00:07:08,253 --> 00:07:14,129 smart glass pad-- had beenhere at least 375,000 years. 122 00:07:14,259 --> 00:07:16,392 And they considered Earth theirs. 123 00:07:16,523 --> 00:07:17,741 >>DAVID: What do they look like? 124 00:07:17,872 --> 00:07:19,395 Where are they from? 125 00:07:19,526 --> 00:07:20,744 What's their story? 126 00:07:20,875 --> 00:07:23,617 >>GOODE: Well the Draco are-- most people 127 00:07:23,747 --> 00:07:27,751 picture them as only theselarge reptilian group. 128 00:07:27,882 --> 00:07:29,927 But the Draco Alliance is made up 129 00:07:30,058 --> 00:07:32,452 of a lot of different beings. 130 00:07:32,582 --> 00:07:39,241 Most of them have some sortof reptilian blood in them, 131 00:07:39,371 --> 00:07:41,809 some sort of reptilian genetics. 132 00:07:41,939 --> 00:07:46,422 And I guess you could saythey're very genetic purists. 133 00:07:46,553 --> 00:07:48,946 They like to have beings involved 134 00:07:49,077 --> 00:07:54,474 in their alliance that havesome sort of reptilian genetics. 135 00:07:54,604 --> 00:08:00,567 But there have also beenother insectoid-type beings 136 00:08:00,697 --> 00:08:05,615 that have been associated with the Draco Alliance. 137 00:08:05,746 --> 00:08:07,225 >>DAVID: When you say reptilians, 138 00:08:07,356 --> 00:08:12,143 you're talking about a humanoid body? 139 00:08:12,274 --> 00:08:13,754 >>GOODE: Right. 140 00:08:13,884 --> 00:08:15,712 >>DAVID: But with areptile-type appearance to it? 141 00:08:15,843 --> 00:08:17,192 >>GOODE: Right. 142 00:08:17,322 --> 00:08:22,676 Reptilian skin, reptilian eyes, muscular 143 00:08:22,806 --> 00:08:28,769 build, reptilian disposition--very aggressive-- 144 00:08:28,899 --> 00:08:33,338 and what a lot of people probably 145 00:08:33,469 --> 00:08:37,386 would a picture as a demon. 146 00:08:37,517 --> 00:08:42,652 That's probably where a lotof the demon and devil ideas 147 00:08:42,783 --> 00:08:46,264 came from, the way they weredepicted in medieval art. 148 00:08:46,395 --> 00:08:48,658 >>DAVID: And you also said Reptoid 149 00:08:48,789 --> 00:08:50,791 as if it was somethingdifferent from reptilian. 150 00:08:50,921 --> 00:08:52,836 So could you explain the difference? 151 00:08:52,967 --> 00:08:54,882 >>GOODE: Yeah the Reptoids look-- 152 00:08:55,012 --> 00:09:00,931 they have a more narrow jaw, elongated head, 153 00:09:01,062 --> 00:09:02,585 and eyes that are larger. 154 00:09:02,716 --> 00:09:08,635 They look a lot like whatpeople picture as the alien 155 00:09:08,765 --> 00:09:12,900 that you would see stampedon a sign at Roswell, 156 00:09:13,030 --> 00:09:14,249 the typical Gray. 157 00:09:14,379 --> 00:09:15,598 >>DAVID: But there would be a difference 158 00:09:15,729 --> 00:09:17,078 between a Gray and a Reptoid? 159 00:09:17,208 --> 00:09:18,514 >>GOODE: Definitely. 160 00:09:18,645 --> 00:09:22,474 And there are a whole lot of different beings 161 00:09:22,605 --> 00:09:25,521 that get thrown into the Gray category. 162 00:09:25,652 --> 00:09:30,308 There's a lot of confusion with Grays. 163 00:09:30,439 --> 00:09:32,484 There are quite a few different types 164 00:09:32,615 --> 00:09:35,096 of beings that get tossedinto that category. 165 00:09:35,226 --> 00:09:38,839 >>DAVID: So why is the term Draco 166 00:09:38,969 --> 00:09:41,232 being used for these people? 167 00:09:41,363 --> 00:09:43,104 >>GOODE: I don't know the genesis of the name. 168 00:09:46,716 --> 00:09:51,416 I don't know if the name issomething that came from them 169 00:09:51,547 --> 00:10:00,034 or comes from a more ancient derived manner. 170 00:10:00,164 --> 00:10:04,212 I don't know where the actual name comes from. 171 00:10:04,342 --> 00:10:05,735 I have heard all of the stuff that's 172 00:10:05,866 --> 00:10:10,348 on the internet about the Draco star cluster 173 00:10:10,479 --> 00:10:11,698 and that kind of stuff. 174 00:10:11,828 --> 00:10:14,178 But I don't know for certain. 175 00:10:14,309 --> 00:10:17,007 >>DAVID: But the term Dracosounds a lot like dragon. 176 00:10:17,138 --> 00:10:19,227 >>GOODE: It does. 177 00:10:19,357 --> 00:10:22,926 >>DAVID: And Dracula, I guess,would be another similar thing. 178 00:10:23,057 --> 00:10:25,450 >>GOODE: But I don't knowwhich-- the chicken or the egg, 179 00:10:25,581 --> 00:10:27,757 I don't know which came first. 180 00:10:27,888 --> 00:10:30,020 >>DAVID: This obviouslystarts to get immediately 181 00:10:30,151 --> 00:10:33,720 into the David Icke kind of stuff. 182 00:10:33,850 --> 00:10:36,940 To your personalknowledge, are there people 183 00:10:37,071 --> 00:10:40,204 on Earth that arereptilians that shape shift 184 00:10:40,335 --> 00:10:43,468 to look like human beings? 185 00:10:43,599 --> 00:10:47,255 >>GOODE: The only type of shape shifting 186 00:10:47,385 --> 00:10:52,303 that we encountered when we interrogated 187 00:10:52,434 --> 00:10:58,005 intercepted beings was donethrough a technological means. 188 00:10:58,135 --> 00:10:59,441 >>DAVID: OK. 189 00:10:59,571 --> 00:11:03,967 So this idea that the so-called Illuminati are 190 00:11:04,098 --> 00:11:07,928 in fact reptilians that aremasquerading as human beings 191 00:11:08,058 --> 00:11:10,017 and they don't look like that at all 192 00:11:10,147 --> 00:11:12,410 is not anything you encounteredin your line of work? 193 00:11:12,541 --> 00:11:14,108 >>GOODE: It's not anything I encountered. 194 00:11:14,238 --> 00:11:17,894 >>DAVID: So just briefly, if you have-- 195 00:11:18,025 --> 00:11:21,289 we've talked about avians that look human 196 00:11:21,419 --> 00:11:22,812 but they have birdlike features. 197 00:11:22,943 --> 00:11:24,248 Now we're talking about reptilians 198 00:11:24,379 --> 00:11:27,425 that look human but have birdlike features. 199 00:11:27,556 --> 00:11:30,037 Is the biome that we have on Earth-- 200 00:11:30,167 --> 00:11:35,520 meaning single-celled organisms,algae, vegetables, plants, 201 00:11:35,651 --> 00:11:40,656 mammals, fish, birds,reptiles-- is that type of thing 202 00:11:40,787 --> 00:11:44,747 a fairly common pattern for worlds that 203 00:11:44,878 --> 00:11:47,576 are Earth-like in our galaxy? 204 00:11:47,707 --> 00:11:48,098 >>GOODE: Yes. 205 00:11:50,884 --> 00:11:54,496 And it seems to be some sort of-- there's 206 00:11:54,626 --> 00:11:57,586 some sort of humanoid template. 207 00:11:57,717 --> 00:11:59,066 >>DAVID: Right, so different types 208 00:11:59,196 --> 00:12:02,069 of beings that we see on Earth could 209 00:12:02,199 --> 00:12:04,941 evolve into a human-like form,depending on the conditions 210 00:12:05,072 --> 00:12:05,812 of that planet. 211 00:12:05,942 --> 00:12:07,291 >>GOODE: Right. 212 00:12:07,422 --> 00:12:09,424 >>DAVID: And you'resaying the Draco basically 213 00:12:09,554 --> 00:12:11,426 were like interstellar racists and found 214 00:12:11,556 --> 00:12:14,734 others who had evolved out of reptilian 215 00:12:14,864 --> 00:12:17,388 life or insectoid-type life. 216 00:12:17,519 --> 00:12:20,000 And that was their preferred group. 217 00:12:20,130 --> 00:12:21,566 >>GOODE: Right. 218 00:12:21,697 --> 00:12:26,093 Or they geneticallyinterfered, one or the other. 219 00:12:26,223 --> 00:12:28,443 >>DAVID: What was their objective in coming here 220 00:12:28,573 --> 00:12:29,836 in the first place? 221 00:12:29,966 --> 00:12:32,186 What did they want from our solar system 222 00:12:32,316 --> 00:12:34,405 or from humans on Earth? 223 00:12:34,536 --> 00:12:42,022 >>GOODE: Conquests,furthering their dynasty, 224 00:12:42,152 --> 00:12:47,854 their Draco alliance was-- they're all 225 00:12:47,984 --> 00:12:50,682 about spreading their empire. 226 00:12:50,813 --> 00:12:55,339 >>DAVID: So the German occult societies-- 227 00:12:55,470 --> 00:12:58,690 were they contacted, or did they try 228 00:12:58,821 --> 00:13:01,084 to make contact with the Draco? 229 00:13:01,215 --> 00:13:02,825 How did that actually happen? 230 00:13:02,956 --> 00:13:06,916 >>GOODE: They reached out andmade contact, consciously, 231 00:13:07,047 --> 00:13:08,091 to this group. 232 00:13:08,222 --> 00:13:09,876 >>DAVID: Through this Vril Society? 233 00:13:10,006 --> 00:13:12,139 >>GOODE: Right. 234 00:13:12,269 --> 00:13:14,141 >>DAVID: And you also said that there 235 00:13:14,271 --> 00:13:17,535 was a Nordic-looking group? 236 00:13:17,666 --> 00:13:21,017 >>GOODE: The German secret societies 237 00:13:21,148 --> 00:13:25,761 had been doing a whole bunch of expeditions. 238 00:13:25,892 --> 00:13:29,330 And as they were in the area of the Himalayans, 239 00:13:29,460 --> 00:13:34,901 they ran into a group of Nordic-looking beings 240 00:13:35,031 --> 00:13:41,951 that presentedthemselves as alien, ETs. 241 00:13:42,082 --> 00:13:47,914 And they were actually a ancienthuman breakaway civilization 242 00:13:48,044 --> 00:13:51,395 that had existed under theHimalayas for tens of thousands 243 00:13:51,526 --> 00:13:53,310 of years. 244 00:13:53,441 --> 00:13:54,964 >>DAVID: Under the Himalayas? 245 00:13:55,095 --> 00:14:00,927 >>GOODE: Right, and furtheron in a network of cities 246 00:14:01,057 --> 00:14:02,450 connected underneath the ground. 247 00:14:02,580 --> 00:14:04,321 >>DAVID: Had theyreoccupied the stuff that 248 00:14:04,452 --> 00:14:07,803 was built by the so-called ancient builder race? 249 00:14:07,934 --> 00:14:09,544 >>GOODE: Yes, but they had actually 250 00:14:09,674 --> 00:14:14,157 built out a very, verysophisticated, high-tech-- 251 00:14:14,288 --> 00:14:17,421 they were a very sophisticated, high-tech civilization 252 00:14:17,552 --> 00:14:19,119 on their own. 253 00:14:19,249 --> 00:14:22,687 And they built out their ownhigh-tech infrastructure. 254 00:14:22,818 --> 00:14:25,516 >>DAVID: But this was oneof these underground areas, 255 00:14:25,647 --> 00:14:29,042 as you said before, that hasthe bioluminescent bacteria 256 00:14:29,172 --> 00:14:33,916 and has trees and running waterand its own evolutionary path 257 00:14:34,047 --> 00:14:37,833 of animals and fish and birdsand all that kind of stuff? 258 00:14:37,964 --> 00:14:41,228 >>GOODE: But there's was closer to the surface, 259 00:14:41,358 --> 00:14:44,492 underneath mountains and networks 260 00:14:44,622 --> 00:14:48,235 that reached down to that area. 261 00:14:48,365 --> 00:14:53,327 And they called theirselvesthe Agartha Network. 262 00:14:53,457 --> 00:14:54,894 >>DAVID: Really? 263 00:14:55,024 --> 00:14:57,548 >>GOODE: That was accordingto the documentation. 264 00:14:57,679 --> 00:15:01,378 And they had a spacefleet, or a space program, 265 00:15:01,509 --> 00:15:03,685 that they called the Silver Fleet. 266 00:15:03,815 --> 00:15:07,950 >>DAVID: This sounds a lot likepeople who have been contacted 267 00:15:08,081 --> 00:15:10,866 by what they think are extraterrestrials, 268 00:15:10,997 --> 00:15:13,347 the so-called Nordic ET is a pretty common thing 269 00:15:13,477 --> 00:15:14,914 to hear about. 270 00:15:15,044 --> 00:15:18,830 >>GOODE: Yes, that happeneda lot by this group that 271 00:15:18,961 --> 00:15:20,571 pretended to be ETs. 272 00:15:20,702 --> 00:15:25,925 And later on that also happenedby this German group that 273 00:15:26,055 --> 00:15:29,363 created a breakawaycivilization using technology 274 00:15:29,493 --> 00:15:33,758 they obtained from the Draco and this Agarthan group 275 00:15:33,889 --> 00:15:35,456 under the Himalayans. 276 00:15:35,586 --> 00:15:38,720 >>DAVID: Do you think theseAgarthans are the reason why 277 00:15:38,850 --> 00:15:41,723 the Germans became so obsessedwith blonde hair and blue eyes 278 00:15:41,853 --> 00:15:43,464 and said it was a master race? 279 00:15:43,594 --> 00:15:45,553 >>GOODE: Most likely. 280 00:15:45,683 --> 00:15:47,685 >>DAVID: What did theAgarthans tell the Germans 281 00:15:47,816 --> 00:15:48,860 about themselves? 282 00:15:48,991 --> 00:15:52,081 Where did they say they were from? 283 00:15:52,212 --> 00:15:54,040 >>GOODE: I believe they said they 284 00:15:54,170 --> 00:15:59,088 were from the Pleiades orsomething like that originally. 285 00:15:59,219 --> 00:16:04,702 >>DAVID: So take us now throughthe origin of the space program 286 00:16:04,833 --> 00:16:07,618 based on these contacts. 287 00:16:07,749 --> 00:16:09,490 First of all, did the Draco and the Agarthans 288 00:16:09,620 --> 00:16:10,534 get along with each other? 289 00:16:10,665 --> 00:16:11,840 Did they know about each other? 290 00:16:11,971 --> 00:16:13,146 Did they have some kind of partnership? 291 00:16:19,108 --> 00:16:21,632 >>GOODE: They had an understanding. 292 00:16:21,763 --> 00:16:22,982 They weren't allies. 293 00:16:27,073 --> 00:16:31,599 The Draco do not to play well with others that 294 00:16:31,729 --> 00:16:35,472 don't bow before their feet. 295 00:16:35,603 --> 00:16:39,824 But they had an understandingto stay out of each other's hair 296 00:16:39,955 --> 00:16:40,303 and scales. 297 00:16:45,569 --> 00:16:51,184 >>DAVID: So how does thisturn into space travel? 298 00:16:51,314 --> 00:16:56,015 Who gave the Germans the space travel capability? 299 00:16:56,145 --> 00:16:57,799 How did that develop? 300 00:16:57,929 --> 00:16:59,409 Because obviously they're notgoing to build a space program 301 00:16:59,540 --> 00:17:00,323 without space travel. 302 00:17:00,454 --> 00:17:01,759 >>GOODE: Right. 303 00:17:01,890 --> 00:17:04,632 Well the Germans, they were very intelligent. 304 00:17:04,762 --> 00:17:09,332 And they had already made somepretty excellent discoveries 305 00:17:09,463 --> 00:17:17,253 on their own from observingnature and the fact that, 306 00:17:17,384 --> 00:17:23,172 unlike in the West-- like I saidbefore-- they didn't separate 307 00:17:23,303 --> 00:17:30,049 science from spiritualityand some esoteric beliefs. 308 00:17:30,179 --> 00:17:34,357 They actually would use someesoteric beliefs, some of what 309 00:17:34,488 --> 00:17:37,534 we would call magic or black magic, 310 00:17:37,665 --> 00:17:41,451 at the same time they used science. 311 00:17:41,582 --> 00:17:43,540 They mixed it. 312 00:17:43,671 --> 00:17:46,935 And this actually gave them an edge. 313 00:17:47,066 --> 00:17:49,068 >>DAVID: Did you ever run across the work 314 00:17:49,198 --> 00:17:52,288 of Viktor Schauberger in anyof the documentation you saw? 315 00:17:52,419 --> 00:17:53,855 >>GOODE: Yes. 316 00:17:53,985 --> 00:17:57,728 Yeah, he originally studiedthe fish, or the trout, 317 00:17:57,859 --> 00:18:01,950 travelling up the stream,up the waterfalls and stuff. 318 00:18:02,081 --> 00:18:05,040 >>DAVID: It appears that Schauberger 319 00:18:05,171 --> 00:18:10,393 saw that there was some kind ofantigravity effect with trout 320 00:18:10,524 --> 00:18:13,004 and salmon swimming up a 30 foot high waterfall 321 00:18:13,135 --> 00:18:15,485 and just gliding their way up. 322 00:18:15,616 --> 00:18:16,965 >>GOODE: Yeah, OK. 323 00:18:17,096 --> 00:18:18,880 >>DAVID: So did youencounter any information 324 00:18:19,010 --> 00:18:21,012 suggesting that Schauberger was on the right track, 325 00:18:21,143 --> 00:18:24,712 that he actually did invent something real? 326 00:18:24,842 --> 00:18:27,106 >>GOODE: There were not only him. 327 00:18:27,236 --> 00:18:30,370 There were several German and Polish 328 00:18:30,500 --> 00:18:32,111 and I believe other scientists that 329 00:18:32,241 --> 00:18:35,853 were having some pretty goodinteresting breakthroughs that 330 00:18:35,984 --> 00:18:40,380 had that information confiscated and brought 331 00:18:40,510 --> 00:18:43,731 into these secret societies. 332 00:18:43,861 --> 00:18:45,907 >>DAVID: Did these extraterrestrial groups, 333 00:18:46,037 --> 00:18:48,562 like the Draco and the Agarthans, 334 00:18:48,692 --> 00:18:50,651 give assistance to the Germans at some point 335 00:18:50,781 --> 00:18:55,612 so they could perfect or make agreater development of progress 336 00:18:55,743 --> 00:18:57,223 with what they were already working on? 337 00:18:57,353 --> 00:18:58,963 >>GOODE: Yes. 338 00:18:59,094 --> 00:19:03,446 They had already started tobuild some pretty interesting 339 00:19:03,577 --> 00:19:08,625 devices based on someancient texts and information 340 00:19:08,756 --> 00:19:14,501 they had found on the Vimana, creating mercury vortex 341 00:19:14,631 --> 00:19:19,549 electrogravitic devices that created 342 00:19:19,680 --> 00:19:22,596 a gravity-canceling technology. 343 00:19:22,726 --> 00:19:24,206 >>DAVID: When you say mercury vortex, 344 00:19:24,337 --> 00:19:25,381 what are you referring to? 345 00:19:25,512 --> 00:19:26,687 What would this technology look like 346 00:19:26,817 --> 00:19:29,559 if we were going to see it? 347 00:19:29,690 --> 00:19:32,693 >>GOODE: Basically in a glasscylinder with mercury in it, 348 00:19:32,823 --> 00:19:36,392 they would spin it atextremely high velocities and-- 349 00:19:36,523 --> 00:19:39,700 >>DAVID: Like a ring, a glass ring? 350 00:19:39,830 --> 00:19:41,180 >>GOODE: In a glass cylinder. 351 00:19:41,310 --> 00:19:42,572 >>DAVID: Oh, a vertical cylinder. 352 00:19:42,703 --> 00:19:43,617 >>GOODE: Right. 353 00:19:43,747 --> 00:19:44,661 >>DAVID: OK. 354 00:19:44,792 --> 00:19:46,359 >>GOODE: Or sometimes in a-- 355 00:19:46,489 --> 00:19:47,055 >>DAVID: Sphere? 356 00:19:47,186 --> 00:19:48,361 >>GOODE: Sphere. 357 00:19:48,491 --> 00:19:51,625 But usually it was in a cylinder. 358 00:19:51,755 --> 00:19:54,758 And then form the top and the bottom 359 00:19:54,889 --> 00:19:57,718 they would spin it at very high velocities 360 00:19:57,848 --> 00:20:01,983 and then apply very high voltage to it. 361 00:20:02,113 --> 00:20:04,072 >>DAVID: And that causes the antigravity? 362 00:20:04,203 --> 00:20:05,639 >>GOODE: Yes. 363 00:20:05,769 --> 00:20:08,119 And then they started doingcounter rotating copper 364 00:20:08,250 --> 00:20:14,865 plates as well-- involved in it as well. 365 00:20:14,996 --> 00:20:16,606 >>DAVID: So I know one of the books 366 00:20:16,737 --> 00:20:20,088 that I've seen that really talksabout this Bell craft quite 367 00:20:20,219 --> 00:20:23,091 a bit is "The Hunt forZero Point," by Nick Cook. 368 00:20:23,222 --> 00:20:24,919 He's done a lot of really original research 369 00:20:25,049 --> 00:20:25,572 on this subject. 370 00:20:28,401 --> 00:20:32,187 To your knowledge, when was the first Bell craft 371 00:20:32,318 --> 00:20:35,625 actually constructed andbecame operational, at least 372 00:20:35,756 --> 00:20:38,149 they got some kind of an effect out of it? 373 00:20:38,280 --> 00:20:39,368 >>GOODE: Not quite sure. 374 00:20:42,153 --> 00:20:44,939 I can't really rememberthe exact dates and details 375 00:20:45,069 --> 00:20:48,029 from what I was reading. 376 00:20:48,159 --> 00:20:51,989 They were doing that stuff in the early '40s. 377 00:20:52,120 --> 00:20:57,647 I do remember some of theaccounts I read about the Bell. 378 00:20:57,778 --> 00:21:02,522 I remember they had several that they 379 00:21:02,652 --> 00:21:08,049 had tethered that had brokeloose from the tethering 380 00:21:08,179 --> 00:21:11,270 and had pretty much just disappeared. 381 00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:13,010 >>DAVID: Really? 382 00:21:13,141 --> 00:21:20,148 >>GOODE: And then they had others. 383 00:21:20,279 --> 00:21:24,805 It was a process, a scientific process. 384 00:21:24,935 --> 00:21:28,983 And supposedly therewere some scientists that 385 00:21:29,113 --> 00:21:33,814 died from getting too close. 386 00:21:33,944 --> 00:21:36,556 And they had some explosions. 387 00:21:36,686 --> 00:21:39,428 They had a lot of problems getting that started. 388 00:21:39,559 --> 00:21:41,125 >>DAVID: Did they have little propellers 389 00:21:41,256 --> 00:21:43,650 that whirled the mercuryaround inside the cylinder? 390 00:21:43,780 --> 00:21:45,434 Or how did they make it move? 391 00:21:45,565 --> 00:21:47,044 >>GOODE: From what I understood, there 392 00:21:47,175 --> 00:21:52,659 was an actual huge electricalcable that went to it 393 00:21:52,789 --> 00:22:00,623 and fed electricity to motorsthat spun very high RPMs 394 00:22:00,754 --> 00:22:05,628 and spun the mercury around. 395 00:22:05,759 --> 00:22:11,721 And interesting thing that happened, 396 00:22:11,852 --> 00:22:15,508 something that was dealt with later, 397 00:22:15,638 --> 00:22:21,470 is they discovered that heavyelectricity-- I mean seriously 398 00:22:21,601 --> 00:22:27,781 heavy electricity-- applied to mercury 399 00:22:27,911 --> 00:22:30,697 causes the mercury to turn into gold. 400 00:22:30,827 --> 00:22:31,393 >>DAVID: Really? 401 00:22:31,524 --> 00:22:32,568 Like alchemy. 402 00:22:32,699 --> 00:22:33,787 >>GOODE: Like alchemy. 403 00:22:33,917 --> 00:22:39,923 And these cylinders, glass cylinders, 404 00:22:40,054 --> 00:22:48,236 kept the mercury-- kept turningto a coral-looking gold. 405 00:22:48,367 --> 00:22:50,325 And this was seen as a problem. 406 00:22:50,456 --> 00:22:52,327 Creating gold was seen as a problem. 407 00:22:52,458 --> 00:22:53,241 >>DAVID: Why? 408 00:22:53,372 --> 00:22:54,111 Why would that matter? 409 00:22:54,242 --> 00:22:55,722 Wouldn't they want gold? 410 00:22:55,852 --> 00:23:01,292 >>GOODE: No, they needed agolem metal, liquid metal, 411 00:23:01,423 --> 00:23:11,041 that would stay liquid athigh temperatures, high RPMs, 412 00:23:11,172 --> 00:23:14,523 and that would conductelectricity for long periods 413 00:23:14,654 --> 00:23:18,005 of time without transmuting. 414 00:23:18,135 --> 00:23:23,532 And they eventually engineereda different liquid metal. 415 00:23:23,663 --> 00:23:25,447 >>DAVID: But what would happen to the craft 416 00:23:25,578 --> 00:23:27,536 if it starts turning into gold? 417 00:23:27,667 --> 00:23:30,713 >>GOODE: It becomes unstable and crashes. 418 00:23:30,844 --> 00:23:33,281 >>DAVID: Really? 419 00:23:33,412 --> 00:23:35,022 Very interesting. 420 00:23:35,152 --> 00:23:39,069 Did the Draco or the Agarthansgive them direct assistance 421 00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:41,332 to make this Bell craft work better, 422 00:23:41,463 --> 00:23:44,510 to solve the gold problem, as one example? 423 00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:45,859 >>GOODE: Yes. 424 00:23:45,989 --> 00:23:48,601 It was after they got to a certain point 425 00:23:48,731 --> 00:23:56,609 of technological achievementand ongoing diplomatic relations 426 00:23:56,739 --> 00:23:59,046 with both these groups that they started 427 00:23:59,176 --> 00:24:06,793 getting scientific help inthe form of liaisons coming in 428 00:24:06,923 --> 00:24:14,714 and helping them, almostlike scientist exchanges. 429 00:24:14,844 --> 00:24:20,720 And once they developed astable, working, antigravitic 430 00:24:20,850 --> 00:24:27,074 craft, they then started to form more and more 431 00:24:27,204 --> 00:24:34,081 of breakaway society fromthe German dictatorship, 432 00:24:34,211 --> 00:24:38,128 or the German leadership, and started 433 00:24:38,259 --> 00:24:43,830 to keep more things secretand do things their own way. 434 00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:46,702 >>DAVID: So you're sayingthis is not necessarily Nazi? 435 00:24:46,833 --> 00:24:48,312 >>GOODE: No. 436 00:24:48,443 --> 00:24:50,445 >>DAVID: It's more the German,occult secret societies? 437 00:24:50,576 --> 00:24:52,316 >>GOODE: Right, those secret societies 438 00:24:52,447 --> 00:24:56,146 ended up creating Nazism. 439 00:24:56,277 --> 00:24:59,149 >>DAVID: But Nazism broke awayfrom them somehow and didn't 440 00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:01,195 adhere to what they wanted? 441 00:25:01,325 --> 00:25:03,023 >>GOODE: I guess. 442 00:25:03,153 --> 00:25:06,156 That was more of a mainstreamgovernment, control the people 443 00:25:06,287 --> 00:25:07,462 kind of thing. 444 00:25:07,593 --> 00:25:09,290 They were more interested in starting 445 00:25:09,420 --> 00:25:12,598 their own breakaway civilization that 446 00:25:12,728 --> 00:25:15,383 had nothing to do with any groups, 447 00:25:15,514 --> 00:25:19,605 to have their own civilization,their own master race, 448 00:25:19,735 --> 00:25:24,653 their own space program. 449 00:25:24,784 --> 00:25:26,786 They had high ideas. 450 00:25:26,916 --> 00:25:28,831 >>DAVID: In "The Hunt forZero Point," Nick Cook, 451 00:25:28,962 --> 00:25:31,399 doing his research on this Bell craft, 452 00:25:31,530 --> 00:25:34,184 said that the Nazi code name for the project 453 00:25:34,315 --> 00:25:37,536 was Chronos, which means time. 454 00:25:37,666 --> 00:25:41,061 And he said, in the book, that--and this was based on documents 455 00:25:41,191 --> 00:25:44,194 that he was able to find--that apparently time 456 00:25:44,325 --> 00:25:48,285 started to get weird when theybegan playing around with this. 457 00:25:48,416 --> 00:25:52,507 Did you encounter anyinformation of that sort? 458 00:25:52,638 --> 00:25:55,423 >>GOODE: Yeah, when you're playing 459 00:25:55,554 --> 00:26:00,559 with electrogravitictechnology, time and space, 460 00:26:00,689 --> 00:26:02,473 the veil between them thins. 461 00:26:02,604 --> 00:26:07,304 So you start to have anomalies. 462 00:26:07,435 --> 00:26:11,004 >>DAVID: So what would bean example of an anomaly? 463 00:26:11,134 --> 00:26:12,483 >>GOODE: Well an anomaly would be 464 00:26:12,614 --> 00:26:16,923 you would travel-- any time you're traveling 465 00:26:17,053 --> 00:26:20,491 at a certain speed, not onlyare you traveling a distance, 466 00:26:20,622 --> 00:26:22,929 you're traveling in time. 467 00:26:23,059 --> 00:26:31,198 And if they create a situationto where they jump from one 468 00:26:31,328 --> 00:26:37,334 place to another really quickly,they have not only jumped 469 00:26:37,465 --> 00:26:42,035 in space, but they have also time travelled. 470 00:26:42,165 --> 00:26:43,863 >>DAVID: Wow. 471 00:26:43,993 --> 00:26:51,261 >>GOODE: So it starts toblur, the time-space veil 472 00:26:51,392 --> 00:26:52,828 starts to blur. 473 00:26:52,959 --> 00:26:54,874 >>DAVID: Well, we're outof time for this episode. 474 00:26:55,004 --> 00:26:56,615 But I think what we're going to have to do 475 00:26:56,745 --> 00:26:58,268 is continue this discussion. 476 00:26:58,399 --> 00:27:00,836 Because we haven't even really gotten 477 00:27:00,967 --> 00:27:05,058 into how these German occult societies then 478 00:27:05,188 --> 00:27:06,450 made their way into space. 479 00:27:06,581 --> 00:27:08,409 And I want to just stay right on this track. 480 00:27:08,539 --> 00:27:11,281 So next time coming up, we're going 481 00:27:11,412 --> 00:27:13,762 to take this very interesting discussion 482 00:27:13,893 --> 00:27:16,635 and really blow it out into the cosmos 483 00:27:16,765 --> 00:27:20,029 and get into informationthat until I met you I really 484 00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:21,640 had never heard before. 485 00:27:21,770 --> 00:27:24,686 This is some of the mostheavily-guarded insider stuff. 486 00:27:24,817 --> 00:27:26,949 Even the insiders who knowwhat they're talking about 487 00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:28,951 typically don't want to tell you this. 488 00:27:29,082 --> 00:27:31,084 But we're just going torelease it all on the show. 489 00:27:31,214 --> 00:27:32,563 Because as you've said, the Alliance 490 00:27:32,694 --> 00:27:34,740 wants this stuff to come out now. 491 00:27:34,870 --> 00:27:36,306 And it's a great honor to have you 492 00:27:36,437 --> 00:27:38,657 here so we can start to bring out 493 00:27:38,787 --> 00:27:40,876 more and more of the suppressed history 494 00:27:41,007 --> 00:27:42,835 of our own 20th century. 495 00:27:42,965 --> 00:27:44,619 So Corey, again, thank you for being here. 496 00:27:44,750 --> 00:27:46,534 And I'm really glad that you'vedecided to do this with us. 497 00:27:46,665 --> 00:27:47,361 >>GOODE: Thank you. 498 00:27:47,491 --> 00:27:48,101 >>DAVID: All right. 499 00:27:48,231 --> 00:27:51,191 [theme music]